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		<title>By: attendingtheworld</title>
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		<description>Thennonconformer:

Interesting and I agree with much of what you state. I too used to support a 2-State solution but not anymore. These NaZionists (Settlers) need to be expelled to the ghettos from which they came. Palestine NEVER belonged to the Jews. At one time it WAS inhabited by the 12 tribes of Israel: Israel being Jacob himself! Judaism &quot;arrived&quot; only after the Torah was revealed to Moses. 

See http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/i-will-bless-those-who-bless-thee/ and the &quot;Family Tree.&quot;

The simple fact is this: God did promise His servants who followed His commands the land of Milk and Honey during Moses time only: these people, &lt;strong&gt;bani-Isra-eel&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; (Israelite) were anything BUT Jewish! Moses himself was not a Jew either. 

The Prophets have all submitted to God&#039;s will and His commands. The Muslims view of Jacob and his sons is simple: they were Muslims! Judaism had not &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;appeared&lt;/em&gt; yet and the Prophets all called for worshiping ONE GOD and follow His commands! The Israelite (sons of Jacob) stated at the time of Jacob&#039;s death, as quoted in the Quran:

&lt;blockquote&gt;2:133 Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: &quot;What will ye worship after me?&quot; They said: &quot;We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma&#039;il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah. To Him we bow (in Islam).&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I&#039;m sure you realize that the word Allah is the Arabic for God! The word God is different in every language: Elohim, Dieu, Dios, etc.</description>
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<p>Interesting and I agree with much of what you state. I too used to support a 2-State solution but not anymore. These NaZionists (Settlers) need to be expelled to the ghettos from which they came. Palestine NEVER belonged to the Jews. At one time it WAS inhabited by the 12 tribes of Israel: Israel being Jacob himself! Judaism &#8220;arrived&#8221; only after the Torah was revealed to Moses. </p>
<p>See <a href="http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/i-will-bless-those-who-bless-thee/" rel="nofollow">http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/i-will-bless-those-who-bless-thee/</a> and the &#8220;Family Tree.&#8221;</p>
<p>The simple fact is this: God did promise His servants who followed His commands the land of Milk and Honey during Moses time only: these people, <strong>bani-Isra-eel</strong><em> (Israelite) were anything BUT Jewish! Moses himself was not a Jew either. </p>
<p>The Prophets have all submitted to God&#8217;s will and His commands. The Muslims view of Jacob and his sons is simple: they were Muslims! Judaism had not </em><em>appeared</em> yet and the Prophets all called for worshiping ONE GOD and follow His commands! The Israelite (sons of Jacob) stated at the time of Jacob&#8217;s death, as quoted in the Quran:</p>
<blockquote><p>2:133 Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: &#8220;What will ye worship after me?&#8221; They said: &#8220;We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma&#8217;il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah. To Him we bow (in Islam).&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure you realize that the word Allah is the Arabic for God! The word God is different in every language: Elohim, Dieu, Dios, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: thenonconformer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama’s popularity falling among some of the Jews? A powerful pro-Israel lobby group has criticised President Barack Obama’s decision to grant a top honour to former Irish president Mary Robinson, accusing her of bias towards the Jewish state. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) criticised Obama’s decision to award Robinson the Presidential Medal of Freedom, America’s highest civilian honour. Obama last week announced that he would recognise Robinson for her role as president of Ireland and as UN high commissioner for human rights. Among others honoured this year are US Senator Edward Kennedy, who is battling brain cancer, tennis great Billie Jean King and ground-breaking scientist Stephen Hawking.

Too bad still that  both the Jews and Arabs deliberately, equally do refuse to live in peace!

Today&#039;s Jews are are too quick to associate  with the Promised Land of Joshua&#039;s time. However, as per the conditions of the Bible , the New Testament and even  the establishment of the State of Israel by the United Nations in 1948 it now raises many valid questions about that relationship validity.   Still the state of Israel is big enough for both the  Jews and Muslims to live together in peace too. So do all grow up and smarten up up. (Psa 133:1 KJV)    Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
  
&quot; Those who question the legitimacy of Israel’s actions are immediately labelled anti-Semitic by some quarters, effectively undermining the turn of phrase by using it in this context.  We are right to question the state of Israel’s actions and I am not anti-Semitic for doing so. I think the religious fundamentalism exhibited by certain Zionist and Orthodox Jewish groups needs to be dealt with in a similar manner to Islamic fundamentalism, I don&#039;t see the distinction between the two, both are equally repulsive. &quot; There are also many Israeli citizens who are extremely critical of their country&#039;s BAD policies.

 
 THEY BOTH FALSELY DO PREACH THEIR VERSION OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW OVER LOVE  YOUR NEIGHBOUR  TOO!

It seems that anything anti Jewish is falsely distorted as being anti-Semitism again. And so is the New Testament, Christians, the apostles, and Jesus Christ now as well.. Well Free speech, Human Rights, freedom  of religion and freedom of religious beliefs is still a Canadian right for all even for non Jewish persons too.


any one who looks at the subject of prophecy, a real genuine Bible student knows that too many Jews ,who can only use the old testament, and there is almost no new testament substantiation for it, still the Jews,  and many others have wrongfully now Distorted Biblical Prophecy Interpretation after the time of Jesus Christ to suit their false Jewish’s ends, a Jewish purpose, for they like Judas they betray Jesus Christ by these acts for Jesus next made it clear the second Jewish Kingdom of God was not in this world..  (John 18:36 KJV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
  
And the  false Jewish supporters can solely refer to the Old Testament verses now such as Jeremiah Chapter 31, Joel 3:2, Amos 9:15 and Psalm 83: for they undeniably have no New Testament substantiations, support for Israel&#039;s return or possession now of the past promised land. 

Many evangelicals do now support a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank.  They support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians.  If all of the  learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God himself and admit that right was the same God who took the right  next away from them, from  that land now twice too… THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT talk about the Jews return next third return to it too. But God still wants the Jews and Palestinians brothers to live in peace together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s popularity falling among some of the Jews? A powerful pro-Israel lobby group has criticised President Barack Obama’s decision to grant a top honour to former Irish president Mary Robinson, accusing her of bias towards the Jewish state. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) criticised Obama’s decision to award Robinson the Presidential Medal of Freedom, America’s highest civilian honour. Obama last week announced that he would recognise Robinson for her role as president of Ireland and as UN high commissioner for human rights. Among others honoured this year are US Senator Edward Kennedy, who is battling brain cancer, tennis great Billie Jean King and ground-breaking scientist Stephen Hawking.</p>
<p>Too bad still that  both the Jews and Arabs deliberately, equally do refuse to live in peace!</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s Jews are are too quick to associate  with the Promised Land of Joshua&#8217;s time. However, as per the conditions of the Bible , the New Testament and even  the establishment of the State of Israel by the United Nations in 1948 it now raises many valid questions about that relationship validity.   Still the state of Israel is big enough for both the  Jews and Muslims to live together in peace too. So do all grow up and smarten up up. (Psa 133:1 KJV)    Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!</p>
<p>&#8221; Those who question the legitimacy of Israel’s actions are immediately labelled anti-Semitic by some quarters, effectively undermining the turn of phrase by using it in this context.  We are right to question the state of Israel’s actions and I am not anti-Semitic for doing so. I think the religious fundamentalism exhibited by certain Zionist and Orthodox Jewish groups needs to be dealt with in a similar manner to Islamic fundamentalism, I don&#8217;t see the distinction between the two, both are equally repulsive. &#8221; There are also many Israeli citizens who are extremely critical of their country&#8217;s BAD policies.</p>
<p> THEY BOTH FALSELY DO PREACH THEIR VERSION OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW OVER LOVE  YOUR NEIGHBOUR  TOO!</p>
<p>It seems that anything anti Jewish is falsely distorted as being anti-Semitism again. And so is the New Testament, Christians, the apostles, and Jesus Christ now as well.. Well Free speech, Human Rights, freedom  of religion and freedom of religious beliefs is still a Canadian right for all even for non Jewish persons too.</p>
<p>any one who looks at the subject of prophecy, a real genuine Bible student knows that too many Jews ,who can only use the old testament, and there is almost no new testament substantiation for it, still the Jews,  and many others have wrongfully now Distorted Biblical Prophecy Interpretation after the time of Jesus Christ to suit their false Jewish’s ends, a Jewish purpose, for they like Judas they betray Jesus Christ by these acts for Jesus next made it clear the second Jewish Kingdom of God was not in this world..  (John 18:36 KJV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.</p>
<p>And the  false Jewish supporters can solely refer to the Old Testament verses now such as Jeremiah Chapter 31, Joel 3:2, Amos 9:15 and Psalm 83: for they undeniably have no New Testament substantiations, support for Israel&#8217;s return or possession now of the past promised land. </p>
<p>Many evangelicals do now support a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank.  They support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians.  If all of the  learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God himself and admit that right was the same God who took the right  next away from them, from  that land now twice too… THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT talk about the Jews return next third return to it too. But God still wants the Jews and Palestinians brothers to live in peace together.</p>
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		<title>By: thenonconformer</title>
		<link>http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/thou-shalt-not-divest/#comment-1115</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free speech is not anti jewish

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free speech is not anti jewish</p>
<p><a href="http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/" rel="nofollow">http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/</a></p>
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		<title>By: poetwarrior</title>
		<link>http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/thou-shalt-not-divest/#comment-689</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 150 Jewish voters gathered in June at a private home in Los Angeles for what marked a new phase in Senator Barack Obama’s outreach effort to the Jewish community.

Some were longtime Obama supporters who came to hear what kind of help they can offer as the campaign moves to the general election from the primary. Some were backers of Senator Hillary Clinton hoping to learn more about the candidate and get some answers to questions about his views on Israel, the Middle East and domestic issues of concern for Jewish voters.

The event itself, led by Rep. Howard Berman and former congressman Mel Levine, resembled any other meeting with Jewish voters in which the candidate’s foreign policy is praised and a call is voiced to bring out the Jewish vote come November elections.

But it was nonetheless a first for the Obama outreach effort - a launch of what the Democratic presumptive nominee’s campaign is calling Jewish Community Leadership Committees.

These teams are part of a larger attempt by the Obama campaign to enhance its Jewish-outreach operation and focus on introducing the Illinois senator to the Jewish community. This effort also includes a drive to bring in all available Jewish members of Congress to speak on behalf of the candidate and secure votes from their home districts.

The Los Angeles gathering was private and not open to the media, and is meant to be the first of many such events. The Obama campaign is generally selecting co-chairs of the local JCLCs from the ranks of congressional delegations and leading Jewish figures. In Los Angeles, Berman, Levine and Reps. Henry Waxman and Adam Schiff chair the committee.

“These committees will be our grass-roots base,” a campaign official said. “They will serve as a local address where Jewish supporters can come and help the campaign or raise questions and concerns.”

Coordinating all this outreach nationwide is Eric Lynn, the Obama campaign’s Middle East policy adviser and Jewish community liaison. Lynn is part of a team helping to shape Obama’s policy on Israel and the region and to market it to Jewish voters, who, according to campaign officials, are still somewhat unaware of the Illinois senator’s record and of his views on these issues.

Several members of Congress are already on board; most active among them is Florida’s Robert Wexler, who is working with the more conservative Jewish voters in his congressional district. Other Jewish lawmakers already working with the campaign include Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky, New Jersey Rep. Steve Rothman and New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg. Levine is also reportedly playing an important role in shaping foreign policy and making the appeal to Jewish voters.

While what campaign officials call a “robust outreach effort” to the Jewish community is being planned, the next major step is a possible visit by Obama to Israel before November. The campaign would not confirm any overseas travel plans, but according to press reports, the candidate plans to stop in Israel as part of a pre-election visit to Iraq and Afghanistan. “We can only say that the Senator enjoyed his previous trip to Israel and is looking forward to visiting again,” a campaign official said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 150 Jewish voters gathered in June at a private home in Los Angeles for what marked a new phase in Senator Barack Obama’s outreach effort to the Jewish community.</p>
<p>Some were longtime Obama supporters who came to hear what kind of help they can offer as the campaign moves to the general election from the primary. Some were backers of Senator Hillary Clinton hoping to learn more about the candidate and get some answers to questions about his views on Israel, the Middle East and domestic issues of concern for Jewish voters.</p>
<p>The event itself, led by Rep. Howard Berman and former congressman Mel Levine, resembled any other meeting with Jewish voters in which the candidate’s foreign policy is praised and a call is voiced to bring out the Jewish vote come November elections.</p>
<p>But it was nonetheless a first for the Obama outreach effort &#8211; a launch of what the Democratic presumptive nominee’s campaign is calling Jewish Community Leadership Committees.</p>
<p>These teams are part of a larger attempt by the Obama campaign to enhance its Jewish-outreach operation and focus on introducing the Illinois senator to the Jewish community. This effort also includes a drive to bring in all available Jewish members of Congress to speak on behalf of the candidate and secure votes from their home districts.</p>
<p>The Los Angeles gathering was private and not open to the media, and is meant to be the first of many such events. The Obama campaign is generally selecting co-chairs of the local JCLCs from the ranks of congressional delegations and leading Jewish figures. In Los Angeles, Berman, Levine and Reps. Henry Waxman and Adam Schiff chair the committee.</p>
<p>“These committees will be our grass-roots base,” a campaign official said. “They will serve as a local address where Jewish supporters can come and help the campaign or raise questions and concerns.”</p>
<p>Coordinating all this outreach nationwide is Eric Lynn, the Obama campaign’s Middle East policy adviser and Jewish community liaison. Lynn is part of a team helping to shape Obama’s policy on Israel and the region and to market it to Jewish voters, who, according to campaign officials, are still somewhat unaware of the Illinois senator’s record and of his views on these issues.</p>
<p>Several members of Congress are already on board; most active among them is Florida’s Robert Wexler, who is working with the more conservative Jewish voters in his congressional district. Other Jewish lawmakers already working with the campaign include Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky, New Jersey Rep. Steve Rothman and New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg. Levine is also reportedly playing an important role in shaping foreign policy and making the appeal to Jewish voters.</p>
<p>While what campaign officials call a “robust outreach effort” to the Jewish community is being planned, the next major step is a possible visit by Obama to Israel before November. The campaign would not confirm any overseas travel plans, but according to press reports, the candidate plans to stop in Israel as part of a pre-election visit to Iraq and Afghanistan. “We can only say that the Senator enjoyed his previous trip to Israel and is looking forward to visiting again,” a campaign official said.</p>
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