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Friday March 14, 2008 15:01
Dozens of residents of Bil’in, a village near Ramallah, took to the streets on Friday in their weekly demonstration protesting against the illegal confiscation of village land through Israel’s continued expansion of the wall.
The residents were joined by many international and Israeli peace activists. Israeli troops manning the wall and the gate in the wall that cuts off the villagers from their lands showered the protesters with tear gas and rubber coated steal bullets as soon as the protesters arrived at a military blockade nearby.

In addition, when the protestors arrived back to the village, Israeli troops attacked them at the entrance of the village with rifle butts and batons. Eyewitnesses told IMEMC that soldiers also used sprayed the eyes of the peace protesters with pepper spray.

In total, six people were injured, among them a freelance European journalist known as Tom.

The other five were known as Iran, an Israeli activist who was shot in the leg by Israeli troops; Scern, from Israel, shot in the hand with a rubber-coated steal bullet; Cope, also from Israel, was attacked with pepper spray; Aiad Burnat was beaten up by the soldiers; in addition to Jake from the USA, who was beaten up and kidnapped by the army.

For more information:
The Bilin Friends of freedom and Justice -society
Email: majdarmajdar@yahoo.com
Tel: 972 547 847 942
http://www. Ffj-bilin.org
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  1. wunderwhy says:

    Wow if this is all about ones “right” to occupy…I hope the American Indians demand er….uh…take their country back!

  2. Another “infidel..” how great!

    You’re entitled to your wrong opinion.


  3. I must ‘parrot’ Infidel Parrot’s comment. Well said. There are many who seek to finish the job Hitler started, destroy Israel, and drive the Jews into the sea. There will be true peace in the middle east when the Arab loves his children more than he hates the Jew.

  4. sealasan says:

    “Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French…What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct…If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs… As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.” Mahatma Gandhi, quoted in “A Land of Two Peoples” ed. Mendes-Flohr 1938.

  5. Mazin says:

    Here’s an article on on Islam’s treatment of Jews written by the Jewish veteran journalist , Uri Avnery


  6. Please don’t make me laugh. Israel independent? Palestinians FLED? What a joker you are ROGUE. Stealing lands, terrorizing the true owners of the land, the massacre of Deir Yassin and other villages, wiping-off villages from the map to cover the crimes,- such facts admitted by Jews and Israelis alike, are further proof that the scum of the universe, the likes of you, are blind and will continue to be blind until the moment of your death!


  7. roguejew says:

    You left out these facts:
    After Israel declared its independence in 1948, many Palestinians FLED the area into the West Bank and Gaza, but also into Lebanon (100,000), Iraq (4,000), Syria (75,000), Jordan (70,000) and Egypt (7,000). After over 50 years, none of the above Arab States have yet given citizenship to these Palestinians, causing the refugee problem – they live in camps with few or no rights.

    Furthermore, the Palestinians have refused an independent Palestinian State twice: once in 1948 and once in October 2000.

  8. Andrew says:

    I want to make one point, and then I’m done. For those pointing out what Christianity has done to Jews and even Muslims, realize that not everything labeled as “Christian” really is. The Catholic Church, if it ever was part of Christ’s Church was hijacked well before the Crusades by power hungry mob bosses. It probably began when Constantine legalized Christianity around 300 AD. He realized that Christianity had spread like wildfire out of his control. His so-called conversion was probably more a political power-play than anything. He knew if he could control the church, he could better control the state. Many church leaders at the time would have grabbed at the power out of desperation, following years of intense persecution.

    Christ never condoned violence, and would not have permitted his followers to participate in any. When Peter cut off a man’s ear that was arresting him, Jesus healed the man and ordered Peter to put his sword away. He did not come to establish an earthly kingdom and clearly told his followers that. The kingdom of God was about serving sacrificially, loving all men, and sharing the good news Christ proclaimed.

    The nation of Israel was expecting the Messiah to be a military leader who would free them from oppression. That is why they missed Jesus. They were only interested in earthly power and prestige. Going by the teachings of Christ, there can be no such thing as a Theocracy in Christianity. There may be Christian leaders and rulers who rise to power as Daniel and Joseph did in the Old Testament, but if Christ wanted a Christian State, he would have set it up himself. It cannot be forced on people.

    Finally, do not be misled by anyone claiming to fight for Christianity. It’s a scam every time. If it doesn’t look like Christ, it ain’t Christian! (Christian by definition means Christ-like)

  9. Cafedog says:

    yeah and you guys strangling everyone in between.
    I dont which is more disappointing…
    The amount of time wasted i and some others look into what google was censoring (as suggested on this thread)
    or the fact i found a hate-monger at the blog who has pointed out that it is false.
    you can delete this. I’m going back to my safe poetry blog.

  10. Go ahead and gloat vh… you found something to use against me?

    The funny thing is that your comments seem to be defending the Israeli actions – with all their atrocities and state-sponsored terrorism yet you go to lengths at blaming me for defending Palestinians or Muslims? If I’m wrong, you’re equally wrong. We’re just two people on different sides of the rope.

  11. velvethammer says:

    Why was it fine one day and not the next? Why was it playable at one point in time and then lo and behold the ‘play button’ disappeared?

    All in the name of propaganda?

    As for Youtube video, it’s no longer available because of the power of.. you guessed it, ADL, AIPAC, Camera, etc. No one is allowed to criticize Israel.


  12. velvethammer says:

    The video(s) were never removed from YouTube. I only had to click on the attempted video embed above to be directed to it’s prospective YouTube page. Which was before you upgraded the link.

  13. Yes, Imagine that VH… These rotten scoundrels can do wonders, eh? ! I had already upgraded the link thanks to Jo or whoever first alerted me.


  14. velvethammer says:

    The video can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsLWbDnnZuo

    It has not been removed by any means. There are other copies uploaded to YouTube too.
    Did ADL, AIPAC, Camera, etc steal away with your ‘play button’?

    Rotten scoundrels. 😛

  15. […] This comment was left on an apologist’s blog. […]

  16. Well, quite a long and detailed reply! This should have been a post rather than a comment! 🙂

    You’re entitled to your conclusions. I am surprised though that with such detail, you did not comment on the Spanish Inquisition and how Jews found refuge in and with Muslims! This fact is known to all Jews and my Jewish friends surprisingly speak very positively about Muslims and how they protected the Jews then.

    I would also like your source on such a comment:

    at times it has taken the form of enslavement, prohibiting publicly visible religious ceremonies, denying land ownership

    As for Youtube video, it’s no longer available because of the power of.. you guessed it, ADL, AIPAC, Camera, etc. No one is allowed to criticize Israel. After all, consider the response to Carter’s book PALESTINE, PEACE NOT APARTHEID.


  17. squeedle says:

    There are many periods where Jews thrived under Muslim rule (e.g. Maimonides was a royal physician), but there are many periods in between where Jews were enslaved, driven out, heavily taxed and otherwise oppressed. It was under Muslim rule that Jews first had to wear special clothing to identify them, and regardless of what the Koran says, like pretty much every other religion, the religion of practice and the religion of theory often don’t match. Forced conversion to Islam has been just as much a part of Islamic history as Christian history, almost from its inception. Killing innocents/non-combatants is also wrong in Islam. Unfortunately some leaders condone this behavior and others follow their lead.

    Dana I don’t know where you’re getting your information on Sephardic Jewry, but it’s not nearly the rosy picture you seem to have in your mind. Please do some more reading about Moroccan, Yemenite, Egyptian and Spanish Jews.

    The Wikipedia article on dhimmis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi) has a lot of (translated) quotes from the Koran about how People of the Book are supposed to be treated. Historically this has varied widely in interpretation and application: at times it has taken the form of enslavement, prohibiting publicly visible religious ceremonies, denying land ownership. And yes, at times there have been periods of prosperity. Many people allege that European treatment of Jews was far worse and that Europeans “invented” the concept of Jew-hatred; I can’t say as I’ve never made a tally – it seems a highly subjective statement anyway.

    Iran is a complex case to me. Persian Jews have been in that area for 2500 years. Persian Muslims identify strongly with being Persian more than Iranian (this is what I’ve read and heard from Persians), and have a lot of pride about their history – including about Cyrus the Great who also freed the Jews from Babylonian rule (some of this was in a recent article I read about daily life in Iran, sorry don’t recall the source). Additionally, in present-day Iran, Jews are ruled by Muslims, whereas in Israel it is the other way around, and Islamicists regard that as an affront to God because Muslims, and by implication Islam, should never be in a subordinate position to non-Muslims – particularly not in the Middle East and especially not in Jerusalem which is a holy city to Muslims. If you don’t believe the goal of militant Islamicism is to literally bring the world under Sharia, then you need to read “Journey of the Jihadist” by Fawaz Gerges. Gerges conducted interviews with militant jihadists around the Muslim world. Militant Islamicism is a serious movement and I feel that the support for it is way underestimated, and that this movement poses a danger to democratic societies everywhere (which I obviously think is better than Sharia). I will cite one other source I read, a comment an English Muslim posted on the BBC website: “if you are not supporting Sharia you are not defending Islam.”

    As an example of the wide support for this, last month there was a gathering of 70,000 Indonesian Muslims and they rallied for worldwide Islamic rule (no I am not saying they are militants, but they are clearly Islamicists).

    My reading of ATW’s translation of the Iranian President’s speech is that it is still an extremely thinly veiled statement that achievable and desirable goals (not desires, goals, something that you try to achieve through your action) for the Islamic world are that Israel and the United States fall, just as Saddam Hussein did, and just as the USSR did, and just as the Shah did. As the quoted section that ATW pasted was exceedingly difficult to read, I grabbed one from informationclearinghouse.com with fewer inserts and more like the real speech:

    “”They [ask]: ‘Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?’ But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved. “‘When the dear Imam [Khomeini] said that [the Shah’s] regime must go, and that we demand a world without dependent governments, many people who claimed to have political and other knowledge [asked], ‘Is it possible [that the Shah’s regime can be toppled]?’ That day, when Imam [Khomeini] began his movement, all the powers supported [the Shah’s] corrupt regime and said it was not possible. However, our nation stood firm, and by now we have, for 27 years, been living without a government dependent on America. Imam [Khomeni] said: ‘The rule of the East [U.S.S.R.] and of the West [U.S.] should be ended.’ But the weak people who saw only the tiny world near them did not believe it. Nobody believed that we would one day witness the collapse of the Eastern Imperialism [i.e. the U.S.S.R], and said it was an iron regime. But in our short lifetime we have witnessed how this regime collapsed in such a way that we must look for it in libraries, and we can find no literature about it. Imam [Khomeini] said that Saddam [Hussein] must go, and that he would be humiliated in a way that was unprecedented. And what do you see today? A man who, 10 years ago, spoke as proudly as if he would live for eternity is today chained by the feet, and is now being tried in his own country. Imam [Khomeini] said: ‘This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.’ This sentence is very wise. The issue of Palestine is not an issue on which we can compromise. Is it possible that an [Islamic] front allows another front to arise in its heart? This means defeat, and he who accepts the existence of this regime [i.e. Israel] in fact signs the defeat of the Islamic world. In his battle against the World of Arrogance, our dear Imam [Khomeini] set the regime occupying Qods [Jerusalem] as the target of his fight. I do not doubt that the new wave which has begun in our dear Palestine and which today we are also witnessing in the Islamic world is a wave of morality which has spread all over the Islamic world. Very soon, this stain of disgrace will vanish from the center of the Islamic world – and this is attainable.”

    How can I read this, and taking the entire text into account, think that the Iranian President does not intend to affect “regime change” in Israel? He gives as the first example how the Shah was overthrown by the Iranian revolutionaries, and although he uses passive tense when describing the “Zionist regime”, it is the same tense and the same phrasing used to describe the overthrow of the Shah and the Soviets pulling out of Afghanistan. When he said, “and this is attainable,” do you think he meant that it’s just going to naturally happen? No, because then he wouldn’t have mentioned the Iranian revolution in the same statement, using such words as “toppled”. To me it is no exaggeration to read this as an *indirect* threat. And if there is “regime change” in Israel, who do you think he has in mind to replace it? Surely not more Jews – aren’t any Jews who want to live in Israel by definition Zionist? He also talks about how you have to go to the library to find information about the Soviets and even then it’s hard – when he said “wiped from the pages of time,” what else does that mean, but Israel should fall, Muslims take over and all memory of a Jewish state disappear? See my statement above about how for Islamicists, Muslims must never be subject to rule by non-Muslims. In my opinion, summarizing that speech as “Israel should be wiped off the map” is not entirely unfair.

    Certainly, it would be foolish, to our way of thinking, for Iran to mount a nuclear attack on anybody; but I think the mistake we make is to assume that others follow our way of thinking. Based on what I’ve read, I think militant Islam is a creed that focuses on “God’s will” and the reward of the afterlife and does not place much value on physical existence. The people who engage in suicide bombing aren’t trying to save lives, but souls, and also to help their family financially in the interim. I really hope I’m wrong about Iran’s intentions but the rhetoric, policies and hosting of the Holocaust denial conference suggest otherwise, to me. It may be that they really are just developing nuclear power but I seriously doubt it. It may be that they want nuclear weapons for the same reason most everyone else does – to keep from being pushed around. But I don’t trust that government at all, and I am extremely concerned that any nuclear weapons that any predominantly Muslim country has will be turned on “infidels” should a fanatic ever take power.

    By the way, I tried to view that video and YouTube says it is no longer available.

  18. Cafe dog says:

    god has allowed atrocities during the entire course of humanity.
    doesnt suggest that god is either good or evil. Even if Bo was suggesting whether god was good or evil, neither suggestion would be paticularly would be new.

  19. Bo,

    Are you suggesting that God then is evil since He would allow the “apple of his eye” to commit atrocities? This is new!


  20. bohemianprose says:

    hey Israel may have her problems but she is the apple of Gods eye

  21. Dana, Joanie, Lajyseh, Clapso,

    Thanks you for visiting. What a breath of fresh air you all bring here in educated sound and compelling arguments




  22. Dana says:

    Also, Infidel: It goes without saying that Islam informs every area of a Muslim’s life; it is what’s called an orthopraxic faith, meaning the people live their religion. Frankly it’s a breath of fresh air after living in a country filled coast to coast with Sunday Christians. Not to say I’m about to revert to Islam; there are certain points of the faith with which I do not agree and I’m not convinced Muhammad didn’t just make it all up. However, I believe that if you are going to proclaim a faith, you should live that faith to the best of your ability.

    Furthermore, you being in central Asia, your main experience with Islam is as practiced by uneducated people. Islam mandates that those who submit to God should be educated and knowledgeable about the faith, and that there should be no compulsion in religion. What Iran is doing in forcing religion upon its people is wrong. That said, the revolution in that country was a direct response to the United States trying to play puppetmaster in their country and I am completely unsurprised that in a Shi’ite nation the backlash would have been that extreme. Shi’a Islam already has something of a reputation for feeling victimized, given what happened to Ali in the early years of the faith. Shi’ites took that rather personally and still do. Also they are a minority expression of Islam, which surely does not help.

    Christianity is under a mandate to preach the Gospel everywhere in the world. My great-grandmother’s people could tell you about the aftereffects of that. If the subjugated people have to speak English on pain of torture or if they have to wear veils on pain of torture what’s the difference, really? Personally I wish all you Abrahamic types would go colonize some other planet and leave the rest of us alone, and given that Christians and Muslims both number well over a billion, that would certainly solve the overpopulation problem.

    Since that’s not going to happen, a cursory look at history tells me I would probably rather live under theocratic Muslim rule than live under theocratic Christianity. I would imagine Jews would say the same thing if they’d bother cracking a history book occasionally. Just ask the Sephardics.

  23. Dana says:

    InfidelParrot: There have been Jews living in Palestine since the ROMANS kicked most of them out shortly before 100 CE. Not Muslims. They didn’t even EXIST then. Islam teaches that Palestine is also the homeland of Jews, and Jews have co-existed with Palestinian Muslims since before the British Mandate.

    It doesn’t matter whether Palestinians are a distinct race or ethnicity. The fact remains that they were living in Palestine when the Mandate took place. The fact remains that Zionists shoved their way in and took over the land and ran Palestinians off at gunpoint, stole houses or bulldozed them, and did everything they could to impose themselves where they had not been invited. The settlement did not have to happen that way. (1) Europe was making amends for the Holocaust and (2) There were already Jews living in Palestine, as I’ve said. The settlement could have occurred a lot more peacefully and Jews and Muslims could be co-existing as neighbors now, exactly the way they did before the Mandate.

    When you go into a country where you have never lived and you take land by force, yes, that is stealing. A significant percentage of the Jewish population is descended from Eastern European converts, NOT from the original Hebrews. And it is a moot point anyway because if you read the Old Testament the Hebrews stole the land from the Canaanites to begin with. “Our God gave this to us” was the excuse they offered, and that is the only reason Muslims would tolerate them being there now after the Palestinians have been there for centuries. I for one am sick and tired of people justifying violence on the say-so of an imaginary friend up in the sky, and that goes for BOTH sides.

    Maybe I’m biased: I’m part Native American.

  24. lajyseh says:

    velvethammer, the type of Jihad you refer to is there for defence purposes only.

    According to Shi’a beliefs, there are two types of Jihad.
    The Greater Jihad – the struggle within oneself to live life under the sharia (Islamic Law) and to refrain from sin. This jihad is a personal one, and its only witness is Allah (god) and oneself.
    The Lesser Jihad – refers to defending oneself, one’s family and community against oppression and tyranny. This is the more obvious one of the two. (And the one getting all the media attention.)
    The lesser Jihad has very strict rules upon it, and there are many people who would like to spread hate in the name of Islam, under the banner of Jihad, but it is not so.

    “Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.” [5:32]
    (From the Holy Qur’an).

    I have watched the YouTube video you referred. One must wonder how accurate the responses are. Anyone can make a video on all the religions in the world, showing them in a bad light, but that really, in my view, is not the way forward. But that does express an opinion and I have taken that into account.

    AttendingTheWorld, firstly I would like to congratulate you on having such a wonderful blog! I came here via random blog search, and will be visiting again as well! I must thank-you for the video you have posted, I was not previously aware of half the atrocities and facts stated. And I must also thank-you for posting President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad’s speech. It has always been in the back of my mind to research it.

    The video shown here ‘Not so cool facts about Israel’ is a rare one highlighting the other side of a mostly biased argument. The media portrays it as a just and legitimate founding of a Jewish state, funded greatly by the American Government (or so I hear). When a video like this is shown or arguments and criticisms are made, anti-Semitism is always dragged into the picture. Regardless of one’s view on the Holocaust, I find that there is no just cause behind killing so many innocents.

    In regards to the Iraq war, it is a tragic case for the Bush Administration which is so adamant in stating they are winning the war. After reading up on this subject, a good book I can recommend is, ‘The End of IRAQ’ Peter W. Galbraith, I learnt that the lack of planning and research on the behalf of the Bush Administration led to loss of millions of lives, and to the benefit of The Islamic Republic of Iran. I do recommend the book to anyone remotely interested in the subject, as it has enlightened me greatly.

    “A year after the Axis of Evil speech, President Bush met with three Iraqi Americans: the author Kanan Makiya; Hatim Mukhlis, a doctor; and Rend Rahim, who later became post-war Iraq’s first representative to the United States. As the three described what they thought would be the political situation after Saddam’s fall, they talked about Sunnis and Shiites. It became apparent to them that the president was unfamiliar with these terms.[..] SO two months before he orders U.S troops into the country, the president of the United States did not appear to know about the division among Iraqis that has defined the country’s history and politics.”
    That is just a taste of what is inside the book. It really sheds a light on the topic. The reason I chose the above extract is that it I am amazed at the ignorance/lack of knowledge/research, that went into planning the war, when anyone staying in Iraq for a week would know more about Iraq’s history than the ‘commander’ behind the war.

    I do apologize if I’m going slightly off topic! I just had to get my point across.

    Thank-you all for the post’s, they made a good read.

  25. velvethammer says:

    Hate video? The only hate that video proves to exist is the hate that is spread by violent jihad.

    Thank you very much.

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  27. Infidel Parrot says:

    Sometimes “scholarly” people use their superior ‘educations, knowledge, and awareness’ to condescendingly dismiss the opinions and observations of others. Your superior breeding and grooming , the likes of which we mere commoners could surely not appreciate, cause our less informed and evolved opinions to pale in comparison to your higher understanding of the world. We are truly humbled by your digital presence.
    Seriously ATW, we can see that you’ve read a few history books. But the fact that you think that Ahmadinejad’s “World Without Zionism” speech is only evil because the MSM spun it that way makes me think that all your education, knowledge, and awareness is not all it’s cracked up to be. When, not IF, but WHEN Iran’s FANATICAL president acquires nuclear technology, he will be a HUGE threat to Israel, and by proximity, Palestine as well.
    A recurring theme in your essays and comments is that you underestimate the significance of the Islamic ideology whenever you get the chance. This is a grave mistake. You may have read some books on the history of the middle east and Persia, but I live in Muslim lands (central Aisa). Unlike you, I cannot lie to myself and downplay the pull of Islam on all aspects of the Muslim’s existence because I see it every day. You seem to understand some of the social dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but what you seem to not grasp is that Islam is under the mandate to spread itself over the entire world. It’s not supposed to LOSE ground, and when it does (a la Israel) it’s a great embarrassment to ALL Muslims. This is the reason for Iran’s activism pertaining to Palestine. Iran is one of the purest theocracies in the world. Look at the news; they enforce stringent dress codes for their women and those who refuse to comply are arrested. Public executions by hanging are the NORM for accused enemies of Islam. Let me ask you, can you spin that in a positive light?
    Their fanaticism has destabilized Iran and Persian Gulf region. I can almost hear the liberal gears in your head turning. You wonder how I can label Iran a destabilizing force yet a guy like me must support the US invasion of Iraq. To be honest, I didn’t really support the US invasion of Iraq, but now I see it as a great opportunity for Iraq to become the first (mostly) secular democracy in the region. This would be a significant achievement that our grandchildren and their grandchildren would read about in their history books. And guess what? More Americans die in car accidents every two months than have died in Iraq since the invasion. Still, you hear more liberals crying about the death toll in Iraq than you hear admonishing people to buckle up.
    But this is just hateful white supremacist rhetoric, rigtht ATW? You don’t really have to consider the opinions of people if it’s easier and more convenient to insult and belittle them.

  28. Ah Velvethammer! You present such “scholarly ” arguments based on hatred towards other beliefs yet fail to provide one SOLID reference to your argument – other than HATE Videos full of garbage as some commentators already stated.

    If you bothered to read some of the articles on this blog, you would have learned that most if not all posts on this blog include sources whether American, Israeli or other media. Your “source” is Youtube? That’s all you can offer? Truly you are farthest from being educated, knowledgeable or aware. Truly, you are full of hatred. But that’s your choice!

  29. velvethammer says:


    Back at ya!

    One can not be racist against a political ideology. 🙄

    Are you denying the fact that islam waged their own crusades against Christiandom well before any Christian crusades were launched?
    Which were by the way in retaliation.

    Are all of your sources completely free of bias and hate, or conspiracy theories for that matter?

    Islam’s main goal is to conquer the entire world, by spreading their backwards religion cult through violence.

    Perhaps you should apply some dhimmi ointment to those rug burns on your knees.

  30. IGNORANCE IS BLISS! This is all I have to say to the likes of Velvethammer and his/ their comment(s). Amazing! And where are your supported facts coming from? White Supremacist web sites? Most likely!

  31. IP,

    Iran’s “fanatical” leader statement was proven misquoted as is the case with anyone who does not agree with us. The media is skilled in spinning words as we all know. Here’s what he said:

    “They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan. Let’s take a step back. [[[We had a hostile regime in this country which was undemocratic, armed to the teeth and, with SAVAK, its security apparatus of SAVAK [the intelligence bureau of the Shah of Iran’s government] watched everyone. An environment of terror existed.]]] When our dear Imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Iranian revolution] said that the regime must be removed, many of those who claimed to be politically well-informed said it was not possible. All the corrupt governments were in support of the regime when Imam Khomeini started his movement. [[[All the Western and Eastern countries supported the regime even after the massacre of September 7 [1978] ]]] and said the removal of the regime was not possible. But our people resisted and it is 27 years now that we have survived without a regime dependent on the United States. The tyranny of the East and the West over the world should have to end, but weak people who can see only what lies in front of them cannot believe this. Who would believe that one day we could witness the collapse of the Eastern Empire? But we could watch its fall in our lifetime. And it collapsed in a way that we have to refer to libraries because no trace of it is left. Imam [Khomeini] said Saddam must go and he said he would grow weaker than anyone could imagine. Now you see the man who spoke with such arrogance ten years ago that one would have thought he was immortal, is being tried in his own country in handcuffs and shackles [[[by those who he believed supported him and with whose backing he committed his crimes]]]. Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.”
    (source: http://www.nytimes.com, based on a publication of ‘Iranian Students News Agency’ (ISNA)

  32. velvethammer says:

    Islam launched it’s own crusade against Christianity beginning in the year of 630. Now when did the Christian Crusades begin?
    Answer: 1095

    Do the math.

  33. Infidel Parrot says:

    Sharia is applied in as true a sense in Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria as Democracy is in the US. Lebanon, as I understand, has significant Christian population in its northern territories and may have a Christian presence in the government, but it’s fallacy to believe that Hezbollah doesn’t rule Lebanon.
    You’re right about Jordan. I didn’t quote the facts right when I claimed that it was a Sharia state. My point was that the Palestinians can ideologically and politically identify with the people in the surrounding lands, while Jews are without a homeland apart from Israel.
    ‘Wiping Israel off the map’ is not ‘rhetoric from the olden days.’ Iran’s fanatical president threatened to wipe Israel from the map in a public speech only about a year ago.

  34. “The Jews, on the other hand, have not had a homeland since the Muslims exterminated them and forced them to flee to Europe over a thousand years ago..”

    IP, where do you come up with this? Not in over 50 years of studying history have I heard such a claim! Even the Jews attest to their prosperity under Islamic rule. And during the Spanish Inquisition, it was the Muslims who protected the Jews. Don’t take my word for it, ask any Jewish believer. The Jews I know make this claim!

    I still think you’re entitled o your “opinion” wrong as it may be. If Palestine was occupied by Nomads, then the Jews living there were nomads! Likewise, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and the like were also occupied by nomads! But history – history of the Middle East – is quite different from your claim. Even when Caliph Omar (if you have studied history of the region, you would know who this person is) went to Jerusalem (about a 1,000 years ago), Muslims were forbidden from from taking over the Temples and Churches of the Jews and Christians and were given full rights and protected under Islamic laws then.

    Similarly during the reign of Salhuddin, Christians and Jews prospered then unlike the massacres of the Crusaders committed against Muslims and Jews alike. All in the name of Christianity? By the way, Salahuddin writer and “library” keeper was a Jew.

    Now, if the so-called Muslim countries do not adhere to the Sharia laws, (and none do) then that does not mean they’re Muslim countries or that they can be defined as such. We, the US, support these countries – with their dictators – because they serve our purposes with total disregard to democracy and the basic rights of people. And fyi, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and whatever other country you choose, do not follow Sharia laws. Syria is still ruled by Baathists and Aloites. Lebanon is a Christian country with a Christian president. Jordan is a monarchy and Egypt is a mess! If these countries did follow Sharia laws, there would be true democracies, justice and poverty would be something one would look up in a dictionary. As was the case during the era called Islamic Empire.

    In conclusion, you may claim to be what you like: Zionist, Patriot, Infidel, whatever. But what you may not claim is what the rhetoric of olden days “wipe Israel of the map” as justification to your unsupported historic claims. This is equivalent to current Indian tribes in the US claiming that America wanted to ethnic cleanse the country (America) from Indians – and throw them in the Ocean(s)! Maybe it was true then, but is it true now? Hardly!

  35. Infidel Parrot says:

    “Palestine is the name of the country in the Bible and then was changed to Israel by the Israelites”

    Negative ATW, present day Israel/Palestine was the land of Canaan in old testament days, and it was never a politically or socially unified nation in the sense that we use the term ‘nation,’ is was simply a land in which nomadic peoples lived.

    I make my argument against the Palestinians being their own ethnicity because Palestinians assert that the Palestinian ‘race’ has no other place to go, even though similar theocratic nations with Sharia-modeled cultures exist in bordering countries Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon.

    The Jews, on the other hand, have not had a homeland since the Muslims exterminated them and forced them to flee to Europe over a thousand years ago. Truly the Jews have no other place to go. Would you rather they colonize Nebraska?

    YES the Jews have committed atrocities against the Palestinians, and YES the Palestinians have reciprocated in kind. Neither side is morally superior to the other, and as a Christian I believe that the Jews have NO Biblical mandate to settle this land, though historical evidence and common sense would indicate that the Jews have as much (or more) claim to the land than the Palestinians. If it makes me a Zionist to believe that there must be a peaceful solution to this conflict that doesn’t require Israel to be ‘wiped off the map’ then I guess I am guilty as charged.

  36. The video maybe one sided but the fact remains that Zionism is what started this mess. Your comments seem to be a typical Zionist rhetoric although I am not suggesting you are. However, the truth is at your fingertips. Simple research – which I have done also – reveals that the video is as accurate as it gets. Check out the links below when and if you have time.

    As for Palestinians being a race, that’s like saying Texans or Californians are a race! Huh? Jews who lived in Palestine are also Palestinians! Palestine is the name of the country in the Bible and then was changed to Israel by the Israelites, as followers of the Prophet Israel. Arabs in Lebanon for example are called Lebanese. And so on. So your argument holds no weight.

    As for Islamic terrorism as you label it, check out what the fundamentalist Jews call for! A sample is here on this blog for you to read. So don’t accuse a whole faith for the acts of the few. But when a nation (like Israel) commits atrocities using my tax dollars, you bet I will scream bloody hell!


  37. Infidel Parrot says:

    No sane person would assert that Israel’s dealings with the Palestinians are just or humane. This slide show, however, is entirely too prejudicial and narrowly focused to effect a change in my view.
    For instance, Israel is referred to as ‘occupied territory.’ The fact is that it was Israel’s land before it was Muslim land. For that matter, the Israelis didn’t conquer or displace a nation to settle in ‘Palestine.’ This region of the Middle East was a forgotten remnant of the Ottoman Empire in the late 1800s when the Jews started to settle there. It was not centrally governed at that time, nor was it a colony of another nation. Neither are the Palestinians a race of people apart from the general Arab population of Northern Africa or the Saudi peninsula. It was simply inhabited by Beduins or who had no more stake in the land than the Jews. I wonder why the Jews are considered to have stolen their lands an more than any other nation has? Also, the video mentions nothing of the Islamic terrorism that has forced the building of a wall and necessitated security checkpoints. There are two sides to this story, and great evil that this video conveniently leaves out.

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